"Stand up and walk out of your history." - Phil McGraw
Today was quite a day.
Where do I even begin?
Well, for starters, we are discussing homosexuality in my Marriage & Family class.
And our professor brought in a guest today.
And guess what?
He was gay.
And he told us all about why we should accept gay people.
He told us he has been living with a partner for 11 years.
Here are some interesting quotes from said gay man (didn't catch his name):
"Believe me - I tried everything to make myself straight, but I couldn't deny who I am."
"I was raped when I was three...I have known I was gay since I was little."
"I don't think life is supposed to be miserable - I think we should be happy."
"I believe in Jesus Christ."
"Some people go their whole lives without knowing true love; it's a shame - why should gay people not experience it?"
"I have decided to accept who I am..."
"I think there is a lot in the Bible that has been written by men, not God ... I think there is a lot that isn't of God..."
Interesting, huh?
He allowed questions at the end...but I couldn't just ask him my questions without losing my cool.
And so, as he spoke, I jotted down some interesting thoughts of my own.
"Maybe you did try to rehabilitate yourself to become straight. But do you know that being gay isn't something you are born in to? Do you not believe that it is something satan uses for our destruction? Do you refuse to believe that because then you would have to struggle with yourself every single day to deal with it and still be accountable to God?"
"Yes, a horrible, terrible, inconceivably bad thing happened to you. I cannot begin to imagine to know what it has been like living with that. But then you said you knew you were gay when you were little...do you think your rape had nothing to do with that 'discovery'? Do you know that in a recent study, 7 out of 8 people who identified themselves as being gay, lesbian, or bisexual had rape, alcoholism, etc. in their past, usually childhood? Do you really believe this originated in your brain by some abnormality in your DNA? Since you believe in things beyond our own planet, you therefore do believe that there is an evil force in our world - and you also believe he had nothing to do with your pain and struggles with yourself?"
"Who said life is supposed to be happy all the time? Through Jesus, yes, we can have hope in a future beyond our own stunted lives - that should make us happy. But does that mean we get to do whatever we want and 'be happy' all the time?"
"You believe in Jesus Christ? Maybe you believe in part of Him. You can only serve two masters. No, I am not perfect. I have my own struggles, we all have our own problems. But we can learn from each other. You do not know everything. You, like everyone else, needs Jesus' cleansing blood. But we cannot pick and choose which teachings we want to believe."
"Yeah, some people do go their whole entire lives without knowing romantic love. That can disappoint our human nature, our human desire to fulfill that kind of need. But what is more important than that love? Following God's commands - He loves us more than any human ever could. Shouldn't we, out of love, serve Him first, not our human desires?"
"You have decided to accept who you are? You've given up! I can't imagine going my entire life struggling with something like that, and why God allowed that to happen to you, I cannot answer. But I can see that He allowed it to test your trust and reliance in Him and His word. But living an entire life fighting something like that would be hard - apparently too hard for you. You have stopped fighting it because it's easier. No, it won't ever go away. But that doesn't mean that God's commands do."
"Unfortunately, you believe those commands were put into the Bible by men, therefore justifying your decision. How can something be so clear to me, yet so unfounded to you? I cannot explain it any more, I can only hope that you change your mind."
Whew.
If I had been speaking with him alone, I might have said these things to him.
But I feel inadequate to try and dissuade him - I feel like someone with more religious ability than me should confront people about issues like these.
I am still growing and learning.
If you disagree with me, please leave your comments.
And after that, I went to Sonic.
And the lady who brought my drink was crying, for heaven's sake!
She said she had a terrible toothache, but they were short workers, and couldn't find any to take her shift, so she had to stay there instead of go to the doctor.
I wish I could have been bold enough to barge in there and advocate for her.
But I told her I was sorry she was in pain, and I hoped she would feel better.
I am a mouse.
And I didn't even think to pray with her.
Like I said, I am not prepared.
I am selfish.
Totally focused on me, me, me.
But I am willing to change and grow.
That makes the difference.
"You can bend it and twist it. You can misuse it and abuse it. But even God can't change the truth." - Michael Levy
Hey Rach - I agree and appreciate your notes as this man spoke, I'm sure I would've been quiet as well. Everything this man said was filled with contradictions.
ReplyDeleteAlthough that "7/8" statistic is true - I believe that having homosexual tendencies might actually (in some cases) be a genetic phenomena. In this kind of situation, I view it as a predisposed sin - just as we all have sins lurking inside of us - environmental situations or occurances may open that Pandora's box. Most people are good at hiding their ugly sins, but being gay is just a much louder sin - everyone can see it.
I have two very good friends that are gay - and they know it - have accepted it, but do not live the lifestyle of a homosexual (dating, participating in sexual acts with other homosexuals, etc..) because they know that this is against God's will for man. It's a sin.
No - they cannot miraculously turn straight and begin to love a woman - just as an alcoholic will always be an alcoholic.
But an alcoholic may choose to be sober - God has given every person that power - choice.
To me, this seems like an awful sin to bear and face everyday - but if we hold true to God's promises - He tells us He will not give us anything we cannot handle. Most people throw that verse around -- but it's as true as the day it was scrawled on paper by that Inspired hand long ago.
Anyway..there you have it - my two cents on the issue.
--Bee
I agree with you, but I do question your idea of predisposed sin. The definition of that word is "to make someone inclined to do something" - do you think that God makes people inclined to certain sins?
ReplyDeleteI don't think that is right. I believe that God allows sin to happen to us, for the purpose of refining us and teaching us, but I do not believe that he makes us inclined to certain sins.
What do you think?
Thank you for commenting - I am glad you are willing to discuss stuff with me :) I am glad that I have you for a friend.
I must admit - I used the word "predisposed" without looking up the definition. I mean that just as I am susceptible to sins upon birth that you are not necessarily tempted with - I believe that homosexual individuals had this temptation. I don't believe that God makes people inclined to certain sins. I believe it's a symptom - if you will - of sin itself.
ReplyDeleteI can't say that I think that being gay is right or that I believe it but people that are gay are just as much a sinner as you are or I am for that matter. You tell a white lie and they are gay. They are both equal in Gods eyes so why do we make the big deal?
ReplyDeleteSome may say that its because they know and have been warned of what they are doing is wrong, but so have we "as Christians" been warned ALL OF OUR LIVES about what is wrong and right. We have gone to church school all our lives and yet we still break the simple 10 rules God asked us to follow. So why even point a finger to another sinner?
I have gone to church all my life and have been a SDA member and some of the most wonderful and thoughtful people I have ever met have been gay. They are sweet beyond words and I don't care if they "chose to be gay" or they "think they were born like that" it is between God and them and if they are right with God then let them be. We have no right to get between them and God or to accuse them or something.
I hope I have not offended you, because I was not trying to in any way. I wonder if you have ever gotten close to or tried to get to know anyone who is gay because I think if you did you might change your mind and see things differently.
You have not offended me, and I agree with you on several points.
ReplyDeleteI do know several homosexual people - they are just as much human as I am.
You are correct that we all have sin, and we shouldn't point fingers. It can seem like people who disagree with the "okay-ness" of homosexuality are pointing fingers - however, being gay is a more "out in the open" sin than telling a white lie, so it is more controversial.
I believe as you do - we should accept the person, but that does not mean we must accept their sin.
They are wonderful people, they have talents and hopes and dreams just like heterosexual people do. But I am convicted that what they do is sin, and it is wrong. I cannot accept their lifestyle.
I do not think we should harass them, and single them out as horrible people - sadly, people do that. But accepting that person does not mean you must accept their sin.
The whole issue comes down to someone deciding it is a sin, or if it is something they cannot change about themselves. Some homosexual people have been "freed" of their desires. Others will never escape the desire for someone of the same gender. But that doesn't mean they should give up! That does not mean that the fact that it is still a sin will just go away.
I respect you - I thank you for sharing your opinions with me.
But I, however, cannot accept homosexuality as okay. I think gay people are just as loved by Christ as straight people - but that doesn't mean He will accept them "just as they are".
Just like the prodigal son - his Father accepted Him back - but the son was cleansed first of His iniquity before taking part at the banquet.
I believe it is the same with homosexual people - I believe God loves them, but I do not believe He will accept their sin.
Like I said before, it comes down to making a choice if you believe it is a sin or not.